Here’s a Peek Inside the Episode: 

• [01:54] Why a Book on Joy?
  • Steven shares the personal and professional reasons that led him to write about joy. After experiencing profound loss in 2017—losing both parents, a marriage, and supporting his sister through a cancer diagnosis—he sought light in the darkness. What started as a small joy project on social media grew into a larger exploration of how we create and share joy.
• [06:45] The Pecan Pie Competition & Joy of Storytelling
  • Steven recounts a humorous and heartfelt family story about how storytelling—not just a good recipe—makes traditions meaningful and joyful.
• [09:22] The Difference Between Happiness and Joy
  • Many people conflate happiness with joy, but Steven breaks down how joy is more of a state of being rather than a reaction to external circumstances. Joy is deeply tied to community, connection, and perspective.
• [12:50] Why We Struggle to Allow Ourselves Joy
  • Steven shares that many people feel undeserving of joy due to personal hardship or societal challenges. However, he highlights how joy can coexist with grief, loss, and struggle.
• [17:22] Joy and Resilience
  • How marginalized communities—including Black and LGBTQ+ communities—have cultivated joy as an act of resilience and resistance. Steven and Regina discuss how traditions and community rituals create lasting joy even in hardship.
• [24:37] Embracing Imperfection
  • Steven opens up about his journey of accepting his body, from scars to a slightly off-center nose, and how embracing imperfections has led to greater self-acceptance and joy.
• [29:58] The Bond Between Siblings & Honoring Loss
  • Steven shares a moving story about coming out to his sister Julie, her joyful reaction, and the deep sibling bond they shared throughout life.
• [32:00] Medical Aid in Dying: Julie’s Choice
  • Steven reflects on his sister Julie’s decision to pursue medical aid in dying (MAID) and how their family navigated this process. He discusses the importance of choice, dignity, and supporting a loved one through their end-of-life journey.
• [38:12] Joy Amidst Grief
  • Steven shares how his family celebrated Julie’s life with a joyful birthday and farewell party, demonstrating how joy and sorrow can exist together.
• [39:23] A Simple Call to Action for Joy
  • Advice for listeners: Every night before you go to sleep, reflect on one moment that brought you joy that day—even on the hardest days.

Resources Mentioned:

• The Joy You Make by Steven Petrow
• Steven’s TED Talk: Three Ways to Practice Civility
• Steven’s New York Times Essay on Medical Aid in Dying
• My previous interview with Steven Petrow on Addressing Ageism with Humility and Grace